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right now on "msnbc sunday," the beat goes on for health care reform. the senate clear as hurdle, now the real fighting begins. are there real winners or losers today? >>. >> the amanda knox saga, her trial nears an end as the prosecution gets tough asking
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for a harsh sentence. >> open the door. police! >> big drama at the front door. we're going to tell you about the unusual motive behind this wild raid. and the holiday shopping season, a new study finds where americans will spend more and what will they spend their money on. good morning everyone. i'm alex whit. welcome to "msnbc sunday." 10:00 a.m. on the east coast. 7:00 a.m. out west. we have that and a look at the holiday week forecast coming your way. first, the politics. a major victory for the democrats with not one vote to spare. 60-39, the senate voted to move the health reform debate to the floor. >> we have a lot of work in front of us. but at long last we're going to have a debate that is long overdue. >> we're going to move forward on this, get quality health care for all americans. >> i spoke to vicki kennedy. she of course was in tears and
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she believed that ted was watching us. >> and new this morning, the senate health debate spilling over to nbc's "meet the press" add kay bailey hutchison explains what she would do to stop the bill. >> our only avenue to stop it is to let the american people know that their taxes are going to increase, their premiums are going to increase, medicare is going to be consult and hope that the democrats will bring republicans to the table and let's do something that will cut costs but not have a massive government takeover of health care. >> nbc's mike viqueira is in washington. and these dems did not have a vote to spare, no guarantees, they are going to have the support they need when the bill comes up for a boat. >> it's the world's greatest dlibtive body. now they get to deliberate on health care reform for this country. you might be confused about all of the things going on in washington leading up to this
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vote but all they are doing is saying now we're going to move on to the bill, they needed 60 votes to do it and they are going to do it but there are going to be problems along the way as this debate stretched toward the holidays. the public option, joe lieberman is a senator who usually votes with democrats but says it has to come out as do other democrats if he's going to vote for this in the end. this morning back on "meet the press" an interesting exchange with david gregory. >> i've talked to senate sources who say there is a backup plan which is that you ultimately scrap the opt out option, you put in a trigger which means that there's no public option down the road if there's not adequate competition, a public plan gets triggered. that's how you might get centrist democrats and senator snowe as well. >> there are many vario variouscationiationses on the team. i think we have a good bill, we're open because we want to pass this bill. at the end of the day we want insurance to be more affordable, we want to stop the insurance industry abuses, we want to give
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american people a choice in this decision. it has been, putting in the opt out was clearly a variation on the theme from the beginning. >> reporter: and the number two democrat there dick durbin of illinois saying the opt out is what's in this bill, states have the option of whether they want to implement this federally sponsored public option for health care, as i said the votes do not appear to be there in the end so it's going to be a long and torturous road even though the administration and democrats cleared a major hurdle last night. >> mike viqueira, thanks. for more on the effort to reform health care you can head to our website and check out dose of reality, it separates the fact from fiction, at it's a race against time in western canada, vancouver island residents in british columbia are facing a state of emergency due to severe flooding. authorities are right now using pumps to help drain the water while teams of volunteers are filling sandbags to build temporary dams to help keep the
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flood waters back. hundreds of homes have been damaged. jeff morrow is joining me live from the weather channel with the latest forecast. another good morning to you, jeff. what's the latest? >> all right, alex. well, today if you are traveling and a lot of people start traveling on this weekend before thanksgiving, should have no problems across the northeast. you know that in new york city it's a beautiful day there. southeast, not so nice. we have plenty of rain to talk about there. flying in and out of atlanta's hartsfield jackson could be a problem. a little rain in the northern plains today, nothing big. you just mentioned that flooding in the pacific northwest and up into parts of canada. that's where we have a big storm coming in, lots of rain, even in washington and oregon. that's going to pull to the east. so we're going to roll ahead in time here, through monday these are all big travel days, people take off at various days obviously to get where they are going for thanksgiving. we have rain moving up the east coast, and we have that big storm that was on the west coast, starting to gather gulf moisture, then by the big, big
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travel day on wednesday, coming into the great lakes, looks a little unsettled for chicago, detroit, for the macy's thanksgiving day parade, a little problematic, could be rain there on thanksgiving, could have a white thanksgiving instead of a white christmas around duluth and international falls, minnesota. good over the south and the southwest. back to you. >> well, it usually does in those parts. thank you very much, jeff morrow. appreciate that. open the door! >> that's a team of california game wardens raiding the home of a man suspected in the shooting of a sea lion. the wardens arrested a 43-year-old fisherman they say confessed to shooting a sea lion in the head. the shooting happened on the sacramento river. >> some people believe that environmental crimes such as this are not that big of a deal. you never know going into a
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house like that, subject with firearms. >> and the game warden says the man told him he did it because the sea lion kept taking his fish. the sea lion hasn't been seen in ten days but officials say if any animal can survive it would be the sea lion because of its thick skull. a developing story this morning from space. it reaches all the way to earth. astronaut randy bresnick found out his wife gave birth to a girl last night in houston. the same day as his first ever space walk. he made this audio announcement this morning. >> momma and baby are doing very well. very thankful for everyone there at mission control and throughout nasa being supportive and so helpful in the last couple of days. >> nbc's jay bashbury is joining us live. you can't help but smile when you talk about it. it's a good one.
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>> it sure is, especially you know, a lot of people don't realize that the mother is 40 years old, the father is 42 years old. they had been told for five years they could not have a biological child. they went a little over a year ago and adopted a 2-year-old boy on the other side of the earth, i forget the country. but they brought him back and shortly after they brought him back they named him wye yot, the mother became pregnant. randy got the news after he did his first space walk and he set down to do another space walk tomorrow. both of them work for nasa, he is a lieutenant colonel in the marine corps and now an astronaut. his wife rebecca, she is an attorney for the johnsen space center. so she worked up until last friday as an attorney and of course she's in the hospital now, she did not come over for the launch. she's not coming over either, alex, for the landing which is
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supposed to be friday. the day after thanksgiving. >> she's got a lot to be thankful for. understandable she has a lot on her plate right now. don't you think. >> she sure does. >> okay. well, thank you very much, jay. it's a great story. appreciate you sharing it with us. still ahead, the couple arrested for refusing to pay a tip for bad service. so, is this legal? is this going to hold up in court? also, the last-minute dash that saved the lives of the people who lived in a crumbling house. later, a somber anniversary. today marks 46 years since the assassination of president john f. kennedy. we're going to hear from a historian about a new book that focuses on what happened for the 24 hours immediately after the shooting. keep it here on "msnbc sunday." (man) you'll never guess what it is.
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from a pennsylvania couple who had the police called on them for not paying a tip to the queen of daytime tv calling it quits, we have a lot the to talk about with our panel. joining us journalist professor mark hill, we have carmen wong ulrich. are you in philadelphia? i'm sorry about that. and legal analyst lisa green. good morning to you. here's the story. how it goes. a pennsylvania couple was arrested for refusing to pay a tip at a restaurant. so here's what they did. the $73 food bill, they would not pay the mandatory 18% gratuity because they claimed bad service. then when they walked out the bartender rings up the cop who is then nail the couple for theft. so here's what the man had to say about all of this. here we go. >> i understand that you know, we did not pay the gratuity but it was a gratuity.
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it's not something that's not required. >> okay. lisa green, our legal expert. what would you suggest if someone has this happen to them? the business what, calls the cops on them for the gratuity. it's reflection of service. >> i'm not going to suggest that people bring an attorney with them every time they eat at a restaurant. >> good. >> but bring your reading glasses. if it says it's a mandatory gratuity, it says it on the menu and you read that, or should have read it before you sat down, i'm afraid it's not optional and you should pay it. whether or not you thought the service was great. let's use an analogy. if you take a cab ride and there's a mandatory gratuity for after hours driving, or for luggage, you don't get to decide after the fact that you're not going to pay. i grant you, you may then subsequently be the recipient of pretty lousy service, you may feel i wish i didn't have to pay this. go complain about it at home. pay.
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>> it's not gratuity. it's actually a service fee. that's the difference is that it says gratuity on the fine print. the fact of the matter is, it's a policy, a restaurant policy, so it's a service fee. so you don't have a choice whether you can pay it or not. >> maybe i'm going to the wrong restaurants. i find those for large parties. this was two college kids. >> they went with a group of a half dozen friends so it was eight people in total. it was eight people, the bill was over 70 bucks so the tip was 16 plus but they had horrible service. the waitress was out smoking, they had to get their own silverwear. they saw her through the window. they had to get their own silverwear. they waited an hour for an order of wings. it was not fun. >> you might want to go to the manager, rather than skip out on the gratuity. i guess to carmen's point maybe you want a lawyer to read your menu before you send it to the printers so you don't have these oxymorons. >> what's your story, reaction
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to this? >> there are lots of restaurants with terrible service in my back yard. you say look, i'm not going to pay a gratuity, they let it go. there's a legal question here and i agree we need to call this a service charge. ing? about saying you have to mandatorially be happy about this service. that's curious to me. the other point is is why would a restaurant want to have the reputation of arresting its customers because they complain about bad service. seems to me they are -- it doesn't seem like a wise thing for a restaurant. >> also, if you're getting your own silverwear, you see your waiter or waitress outside smoking, the food is terrible, you wait an hour for it, who's paying for that? what do think is going to happen in a court case? >> the hearing is next month. this is something that you sign when you sign that credit card agreement, and the bill, you have to pay. >> it's even before that, actually. you're sort of agreeing to the terms by sitting down.
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you know, i hesitate to make a firm prediction. i'm thinking this could go away, you know, the restaurant to everyone's point, has got to be feeling the heat. it doesn't reflect well on this establishment. they may want to -- read some agreement. >> bad publicity. >> they might want to reach some quiet settlement with this couple and say you know, we're sorry we skipped out. >> mark, we're going to talk about oprah starting her own cable network called own, the oprah winfrey network, january 2011. the end of her talk show as we know it now hooxt do you think becomes the next oprah or is there one? >> i don't think there is one now. the amazing thing about oprah, she had the most unbelievable american story. no one else can come up like that who we already see. the next oprah is going to be like her, maybe in two years, five years, who we don't expect. but right now the field is open. >> i'm curious what you think, carmen, in terms of the
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financial impact on the city of chicago. there is rumor she's going to head to l.a., she's been a cottage industry. >> if there is a mini oprah city in there, she has really, really -- she shut down the mile over there to have thousands of people come in. only she could do that. kind of like a second mayor. there is going to be a huge loss for the city of chicago here. a lot of the staffers she has told the staffers, we can't take all of you, we'll take some of you. but she's giving them 18 months. so 18 months for the city and for her employees and the whole oprah empire to kind of find another place, to find something else to do in chicago. but she's helped a lot of local businesses as well. a lot. >> what do you think in terms of the largess for oprah. does this afford her more money, something that she will own? she makes so much money already. is this a financial decision? >> i'm sure that it's got to in part. it seems like an extraordinary opportunity to spread her
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programming over more hours of the day. you know, a male friend of mine said he felt like american women would be bereft should they lose their opportunity to have oprah opine. you think about her influence, books, charity, reaching celebrities, telling stories. why shouldn't she have more hours of the day to spread her unique message. >> you know what comes to mind, sarah palin. there's been all of the rumor whether she would have a talk show. is this the spot that's going to be taken by a sarah palin talk show? >> absolutely not. >> there's that. >> you have to read the cue cards and stuff. it's harder than it looks. i think operating a talk show is much more difficult than people think. i'm not sure that sarah palin has the ability to do that. not anything about her in particular, just it's a hard thing. oprah makes it look effortless. i don't think sarah palin is the one. i think it's someone we have never seen before, but who will
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change the game again. >> thank you for that. mark hill, carmen wong ulrich, lisa green, fun. come on back. still ahead this hour, how a routine commute became terrifying for an oregon father. you'll hear from him. will shoppers be cutting back? the results of a survey. keep it here. >> here are ways to boost productivity. retrain or cross train employees so your business can run on a lean staff. set standards. measure productivity and create realistic goals for staff. develop leaders internally instead of hiring outsiders. (announcer) the sinus triple threat.
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looking ahead to the week on wall street. we're going to get a report on new and older home sales. economists expect them to rise thanks to low rates and prices. weekly jobless claims are expected on wednesday. only lists hoping for a lower number. last week the unemployment rate rose in 29 states as well as the district of columbia. all eyes are on this friday, the official black friday of the holiday shopping season. most stores have already started offering their holiday discounts. so, in this struggling economy will americans be looking to spend less and get
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more for their buck this holiday season? according to the results of a new readers digest aol poll the answer is resounding yes. joining me to talk about that poll, janice lieberman, correspondent and readers digest contributor a. good morning to you. the numbers aren't great when you talk about the numbers of people spending less? let's look at the poll number. 4% say they are spending more but 73% say uh-uh, i'm spending less. >> that's outrageous but it makes sense. i think people understand that when they get the gifts, they aren't going to expect these huge gifts. they expect modest or homemade gifts. you don't want your friends and family spending a lot. >> you're going to feel badly if you do. what about what i worry about is the charitable giving which is always such a big component of this season. that going down when in fact, it doesn't look so bad. >> how about half the people said they are going to give money or give of their time which is wonderful. we're opening our hearts, seeing our neighbors and friends in
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dire straits, you know, we want to do with our families, maybe serve at a food kitchen or something to teach our children the value of money. >> you know who is going to get from the gift list off the tom, the boss. not being a gift nick. the boss does not get a gift. that's the first person cut. >> were you surprised? >> no, except if you have a job you might think of continuing to give. >> but you know what came in neck and neck, which the best friend by a point, won over the spouse if you had to cut. >> probably make it easier to deal with the spouse in terms of negotiating. >> this is a family gift, you know. you don't need anything, you have me. >> who is the me that people want to go shopping with the most? >> wouldn't you think, the choices include martha stewart who knows value and would beat everybody. but no, ellen won. and you thought that she would be really fun to shop with. >> we were talking.
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she would be a hoot. >> and paris hilton. >> not so much. she would be looking at unbelievably priced things. >> and she's too skinny. you don't want the bigger size when she gets a zero. >> what about an item that people are going to splurge on? >> electronics. you can see that's the hot thing t the ipods, flat screen tvs. even though they are pricey, it's something everyone can enjoy, can be a family gift and it's going to last a long time. it's not a flash in the pan. it's not just one sweater you have to have. >> what about the prices of those things? they have come down, right? they reflect the economy. >> they have come down, and some say wait until after super bowl to buy a flat screen tv. there are boast busters, all kinds of sales. now might be the time. >> what do you think in terms of the aftermath when we look back at this holiday season, are we going to say you know what was surprisingly good? you think that's possible? >> because you're hearing all of the down news. i did a story at the outlets the
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other day. it was packed so there are people shopping. they are looking for bargain, 51% say they are going to look at discount stores and they aren't going to get as many coupons and slash downs at the major retail stores because they bought lower inventory. they were worried about what's happening this holiday season so. if you're looking for the coat that you really, rae want and you're waiting for it to be slashed at macy's, it might not be there. >> go for it when you see it. janice, i'd go shopping with you. >> we'd be fun. totally. and coupons. >> that's good, too. still ahead, senator john mccain reads sarah palin's book. what he had to say. a father and son get separated on the subway. you're going to hear from the dad about what happened after that panic set in. can you imagine. wow. bottles of water. or just one brita filter. ( drop plinks ) brita-- better for the environment and your wallet.
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vote with the support of every democrat and independent in the chamber. senator dick durbin spoke of the win on this morning's meet the press. >> it's an amazing victory for the president and harry reid reed to put together all 60 democrats. we have a lot of popinions and e came together. i hope in the end that some republicans will cross over and help us to put together a good bill that will serve this nation. >> republicans aren't clamoring to climb on board. if yesterday's debate is any indication. >> if this bill passes it's going to be an explosion of health care costs like we never dreamed possible. >> this was supposed to lower the cost of health care. it won't do anything of the kind. >> i don't think americans really understand the scam that's going on here. i think bernie madoff went to jail for this kind of behavior. >> the american people are asking us to stop this bill and we're going to do anything and everything we can to prevent
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this measure from becoming law. >> a.b. stoddard for "the hill" newspaper. good morning. was this a win for president or too early to tell? >> to quote a refrain that people like to use in commencement speeches, this is not an end, this is only a beginning. this is just a beginning of political hurdles for the democrats for the majority leader in the senate, for the president who really, really in this 11th hour must come in and start having influence over this debate and asking for what it is that he really wants to be in a final package. you have -- these procedural votes are not the place to sort of flex your centrist muscles if you will. it was a procedural vote. obviously the parties going to come together on this. it's not the final vote. this bill is going to change drastically before it gets to the end. and so, you're going to see a lot of shifting, a lot of changes, a lot of concessions from the president and the
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leadership to moderate democrats in the weeks ahead. >> which means as it stands right now, it is not going to becoming law as it stands right now. but with all of these shifts and changes does the health bill, does that increase the chances of it becoming law? >> i think there's a very good chance that a weaker bill becomes law. i think the abortion restriction language will be strengthened. i think the public option will be weakened. the writing is on the wall about that. the people that came in the last minute, the democrats who gave their votes at the last minute to pass this procedural hurdle promised so. they said i can't support this bill in the end. >> you set this up. i want to play part of what they said, these two moderate democrats last night. take a listen. >> such a professional way and she's been extremely helpful to me through this process, and i want to acknowledge that and thank her. i also, before i make this statement mr. president, want to comment about a few other
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colleagues that have been extremely helpful and supportive, not just to me but i think to the -- >> you know what, i'm going to say that is the wrong sound bite. what we wanted to hear from mary landrieu and blanche lincoln. landrieu said my vote is important on this debate but it should be no way construed in how i will vote in the long run. blanche lincoln said i'm opposed to a government administered health care plan as part of comprehensive health insurance. with all of that how do democratic leaders keep those two on board. ben nelson you conthrow in as well in terms of moderate democrats. >> i think the way they keep them on board is get rid after public option. and go with a trigger. it mean there is is no public option. a trigger is put in the bill as a fallback if the bill does not, in the end, ultimately bring enough reforms, enough choice, enough competition, to help new people get covered, then it
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would trigger a public plan down the road. and that you can find support from olympia snowe, republican senator from maine and a lot of the centrist democrats in that caucus. but a regular public plan the way it is in there now, even with the opt out provision, is not good enough for them, it's not good enough for joe lieberman from connecticut and i don't think it's going to pass. >> what about the way it passed for senator landrieu. she held out to the last minute. when all is said and done the bill contains millions of dollars for her home state. now, granted, she's elected by those people to represent them well, many could say this is exactly good representation because she got them what they need. but why didn't other democrats do the same thing? >> interesting question. look, there are concessions that people wring out of the leadership that we never hear about, alex. but this one is just a good example of what goes on, senator reed was trying to get more medicaid money for his state as well t. governors are hurting
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and they don't want a medicaid expansion they are seeing in the house and senate bills. they need more funding and especially louisiana. this is a classic case of what goes on, she is there to represent her constituents and they are hurting in that state and can't expand medicaid with the state budget that they are facing, so this is all part of it. but harry reid, as you know, senate majority leader, was going to get nowhere if he lost mary landrieu. he needed her. much will change down the road. i don't know if the money will stay in there but he needed it yesterday and she got it. >> and we got the goods from you. thank you very much. appreciate it. and for more analysis you can always check out what the nbc news unit is doing, check out first read. senator john mccain is downpl downplaying tensions described in sarah palin's memoir. she writes that her aides clashed with mccain's on the campaign trail. she does not say anything negative about mccain.
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mccain says of palin, quote, i enjoyed the book and she and i are dear friends. in campaigns there are always tension. there's always differences that arise but it's no big deal. the senator told reporters he spoke with palin on friday and they got along just fine. well, new today. italian prosecutors have now completed their closing arguments in the murder trial of american student amanda knox. prosecutors requested she be put behind bars for life. knox and her one-time boyfriend stand accused of killing her british roommate two years ago. prosecutors argued that knox resented her roommate and killed her together with her boyfriend and another man, under the, quote, fumes of drugs and possibly alcohol. amanda's stepfather said he doesn't buy their argument. >> i think it was an amazing tale. it was very detailed, but it was a bunch of little pieces of --
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the investigation that would then kind of glued together with pure conjecture and fantasy. >> up next, the defense's closing arguments set for next week, the jury will get the case the first week in december. extraordinary pictures of a land slide that caused a house to collapse in turkey. the family only got out minutes before the video was taken. a passerby called the homeowner and said get out. heavy rain has caused the flooding and the landslides in turkey. what's most difficult about this, listen to that man, must be the homeowner, just lamenting his losses. terrible. let's go now to the story of a father and son whose routine morning commute turned into a complete panic that they would never have expected. take a look. aaron bailey and his son aden got separated when a train door closed ond aaron while aden stood looking at his dad being carried away. a good samaritan witnessed it
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and stayed with the boy until his dad could make it back to him. aaron and his son and the good samaritan spoke this morning. >> at that point i'm trying to push the emergency intercom button to get hold of the operator and i pushed it several times with no answer. and that's when panic really set in at that point. >> when you got back, what was everyone's reaction when you realized he was in the same spot you left him? >> well, i was obviously relieved, and then at that point overwhelmed, happy to see orian, my son. >> officials at the train company are looking into why the emergency button was not working. still ahead, looks like kids will be able to send letters to santa after all. that story coming up here on "msnbc sunday."
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well, looks like the little ones can mail their christmas list to santa after all. the postal service has decided to resume its popular santa letter program. it was originally sus spent-of-spended because of privacy concerns for the children. joining me from washington, ed o'keefe from "the washington post." we can leave the music up. makes it festive. santa baby singing. >> this is very good news. you know, you talk about health care, this is the important stuff. >> this is. you know, ed, it is important because it's a tradition that's been around since 1912. it all started in new york to try to spread the holiday cheer effort, then of course it took off. but then we get the word the program is suspended because a bad guy in maryland volunteered to write a response to one of
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these letters, and at least it's going to work, how's that? >> well, it happened last year that this person got their hands on a letter and basically since then the post office has decided anyone who wants to volunteer to help santa out in responding to these from needy children has to show up at a post office in person, pick up the letter or the package, respond to it and then come back in person and in the process they only get the first name of the child. not the last name, not the address so there is nothing funny can happen. but doing this requires a little more work on the part of the postal service. it's going to require more employees. so, a lot of smaller post offices who have seen cutbacks as the postal service continues to lose billions of dollars, saw less than -- more than $25 billion fewer pieces of mail delivered. the smaller places have to opt out of what is a voluntary program. and among the locations that are opting out is north pole, alaska. the zip code up there. because they don't have the staff for it. and that is what set off the
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concerns because a local reporter wrote that the program was ending in the north pole and everyone assumed that meant it was it. truth be told, when a needy child sends a letter santa helpers are nearby, usually pick up these and help. they don't all go to the north pole. the program will continue in areas where the post office can afford to help make it happen. >> let's -- if we can put up the graphic. if you want to write to santa. this is the address. your letter will get answered. despite the north pole post office not handling this right now. is there any way to find out if your post office is participating? this is for the parents mostly out there. >> best bet is stop by the local post office. it starts december 1st in new york near you, alex. it's a program that is very popular, especially in the biggest cities but also in small communities across the country, and again, this is designed to
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help needy children. it isn't the only program that does this. this is the post office's version. there are several nonprofits and group who is have letters to santa programs, so if you want to participate in the post office one, the best bet, go to your local post office. >> the anti-grinch from the washington poeps. thank you so much. appreciate it. here at msnbc, green is universal. in the past week the networks of nbc universal have been showing ways to help protect the earth. and cnbc's julia shows us how hollywood is going green. >> reporter: shooting a movie can mean massive waste. sets the size of a small city can end up in landfills, so the studios came together to create an environmental guide last year and now they are all finding ways to reuse. putting a face on hollywood's push to go green. >> this is an issue that affects everyone. >> reporter: it's not just for the cameras. behind the scenes, hollywood
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studios are taking action. universal studios uses solar panels, buys carbon offsets and recycled paper into dvd cases. it's the way we go directs half the waste, and in 2007 it planted trees to help bring its carbon impact near zero. >> if you're using less paper, you use bulk water as opposed to individual water you're going to save money. >> universal prevented water bottles from ending up in land fills. a green cop to enforce policies. welcome to sony's stage 23. screen gems is shooting its seventh movie on this same set. these recycled materials have been adapted to be everything from a dorm room to a funeral parlor now a nightclub. >> it's cheaper to build a cheap
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set, tear it down, throw it away. but it's not the best thing for the environment. in the long run, it's cheaper to put a little more money into its infrastructure. >> sony saves tons of lumber, steel and glass from becoming waste, storing set walls to store cases in this warehouse, while cutting as much as 40% from construction budgets. the studios say one of the best ways to reduce the impact is to get the movie stars on board. if a star agrees to fly commercial instead of private or take a smaller trailer that can save an enormous amount of energy and millions of dollars. alex, back to you. >> thank you so much for that. still ahead, another one of susan boyle's dreams about to come true. it's proven to be a hit. would you like a pony ?
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a narcotics suspect is speeding through, certainly, but in custody now after leading authorities on that high-speed
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chase in southern california. it happened last night when police officers say they saw the suspect in a drug transaction and that's when the suspect saw he was being watched and then high tailed it out of there. police put down a strip to flatten the tires. it led to the suspect being arrested. on this day 46 years ago an assassin took the life of america's 35th president. john f. kennedy was shot as he drove through the city in his convertible. what was behind the president's assassination has been the subject of countless books but now one historian is shifting the focus to the 24 hours after kennedy's death. joining me now is steven gillen, resident historian at the history channel, professor of history at the university of oklahoma. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> as i was telling you i happened across the special on this last night. fascinating information. what was the incentive for you
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to choose this 24-hour period? >> what i was interested in is presidential leadership and how presidents handle crises. you could fill a library with who shot jfk, whether someone was on the grassy knoll. i wanted to take the focus away from the tragedy unfolding in the presidential limo seen and move it back two cars to where lyndon johnson and look how does a president deal. this was the most sudden, violent transfer of political power in american history. i was interested in the presidential leadership. i thought focusing on 24 hours, i have to confess the show "24" my favorite. but also by focusing on 24 hours, we get into the detail, you get a sense what it was like for johnson and what it was like at the hospital, the ride back on air force one so you can put the reader in the moment and they can understand how difficult the situation was. >> you know, steve, you talk about 24 hours. you break it down to the minutes. there was a delay, wasn't there,
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in terms of lyndon johnson knowing the president was dead. >> this for me was the most shocking part of the story. kennedy shot at 12:30. he is officially announced dead at 1:00. lyndon johnson tells the warren commission that he finds out at 1:20 so 40 minutes. the question for me is, why -- there is no one on the planet who needs to know more about the president's condition than lyndon johnson. johnson doesn't see the bullet strike kennedy. as soon as the first bullet is fired -- >> wait. when kennedy took off when the motorcade took off he did not know what happened. he had not heard the shots? >> johnson is two car lengths behind. when the first bullet is fired the spret service, johnson thinks it's backfire from a motorcycle. his agent is in the front seat. he sees unusual movements in the presidential car, he sees people falling to the ground so he says get down and he jumps out of the front seat, he grabs lyndon johnson, throws him to the
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floor. you hear bam, bam. lyndon johnson doesn't know what's going on. they take off 70 miles an hour. at this point johnson knows something happened. he doesn't know the president is shot, his friend governor conolly is shot. the presidential limousine, kennedy is lifeless in the arms of jackie. the secret service surround johnson as soon as he arrives and realize they think he's next. they think there is another gunman so they isolate him in this room. so johnson knows nothing. he is asking for information, begging for information. what is the president's condition. and no one tells him. i think the reason why no one tells him, he gets so -- someone says the president's in a bad way. half his brain was gone. no one goes up to him and says mr. vice president, the president has sustain add major head wound, he cannot function, even if doctors keep his heart beating he cannot function as president, you need to assume
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the responsibility. no one says that. i think the reason is, partly because of the chaos and confusion. there is denial. the kennedy people, they watched this man who they love, they revered, die in the most brutal way. they were having a hard time dealing with that. they also detested lyndon johnson. they couldn't accept the idea he was now filling the kennedy shoes. >> this sets up perfectly the discussion about the plane flight from dallas back to andrews air force base. lyndon johnson was on that flight. people don't -- some don't even know that because it was all about the kennedys, that flight. jackie getting off, robert helping her. >> this is -- there's a scene, johnson goes back to air force one, and he waits for mrs. kennedy. >> he's sworn in on the plane. >> he's sworn in. he goes back to the plane first and waits for mrs. kennedy. remember, it was not considered a federal crime to assassinate the president of the united states, so the kennedy group is
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in the hospital, they load the body and they are about to leave and a coroner says you can't leave. we're doing the autopsy here. so they steal, they push their way through. you had these well-armed secret service agents, they pushed past the dallas cop, they steal the body of the president of the united states. they race back to air force one. and they get on air force one, extract the body. as soon as that happen, we have to get out of here because they think the dallas police are going to come up, surround the plane, board the plane and drag the body of the president off. but lyndon johnson, he's sitting there waiting for local justice to come on to swear him in. so that starts this conflict, that plays out over the next few hours and few days. >> i got to tell you, i could sit here talking with you about it. we're out of time. the book is "the kennedy assassination, 24 hours after." pick it up. it's a great read. also on the history channel running right now. still ahead, the latest on
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